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Canesluver
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Okay, folks.... we need to start a Draft thread here.
Only 5 days away!!  |
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caniac369
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Since I am now attending this weekends festivities, I am excited to say that the older of my two younger brothers, Mickey (many of you have met the younger one, Will) will be coming into town this weekend to attend the spectacle. I will be there with both Mikey & Will (just look for me with the two tall guys). This will be my last chance some good ole Canes exposure before I head off to the great Northwest in August (thank god for center ice!!). 
Question: Has anyone notice on the schedule that it would appear that the caniac carnival activities are split? On the back of the tickets it says 9:00-11:30 & 3:00 to 5:00?
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That's the same thing I thought in regards to the carnival.. split before and after I guess.
We're still planning on being there, but taking it day by day! |
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Canesluver
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| I'd imagine they're just wanting to get everybody inside to fill the arena during the down time outside. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| Canesluver wrote: | | I'd imagine they're just wanting to get everybody inside to fill the arena during the down time outside. |
I'm going as Naked Girl. Can't miss me. I'll have the anatomically correct underthings on. |
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| RIO wrote: | | I'm going as Naked Girl. Can't miss me. |
I'll sure as hell try not to.  |
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RIO
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| Guyute wrote: | | RIO wrote: | | I'm going as Naked Girl. Can't miss me. |
I'll sure as hell try not to. |
Sir, kindly keep your Olympic-class sperm away from me!  |
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Mona
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 10:41 am Post subject: |
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| Everyone has shown me the article about Weekesy and O while I was gone.. you guys think they actually won't return? |
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Guyute
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LMAO Rio. I'll be wearing kryptonite undies until we get a handle on this first little guy. 
Mona- With us getting Gerber, I could see Weekes going elsewhere. Not sure on O...
I think if JR gets a real solid offer on him, he'll pull the trigger.
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| Guyute wrote: | Mona- With us getting Gerber, I could see Weekes going elsewhere. Not sure on O...
I think if JR gets a real solid offer on him, he'll pull the trigger.
jmo. |
I think he may pull that trigger...if O wants arbitration, he is gone... if he settles for the qualifying offer, which he should since his season was lo-par, I think he will stay... but who knows what JR is thinking... After all that has happened, I am ok with it... this "experience" happened for a reason..it will protect me from having a broken heart..  |
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| RIO wrote: | | Guyute wrote: | | RIO wrote: | | I'm going as Naked Girl. Can't miss me. |
I'll sure as hell try not to. |
Sir, kindly keep your Olympic-class sperm away from me! |
Dude, Darren Langdon's masquerading as Guyute?
COOL!
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sooo, how bout that draft!?
and yes, Im talking about the draft I feel due to my lack of pants
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| Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| moonstomper wrote: | sooo, how bout that draft!?
and yes, Im talking about the draft I feel due to my lack of pants |
Dude, that was TMI right there. 
Anyhoo--I am betting that we try to trade up a couple spots and land Cam Barker.
Thoughts?
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Mona
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| moonstomper wrote: | sooo, how bout that draft!?
and yes, Im talking about the draft I feel due to my lack of pants |
Speaking of no pants, whatever happened to crazyforcanes (Carol)?
Put some pants on stompy!  |
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| we see her driving home from work every now and then... but that's about it. |
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| WeatherGirl wrote: | Anyhoo--I am betting that we try to trade up a couple spots and land Cam Barker.
Thoughts? |
Theres been some talk about that, I dont know what it would take to pry the pick away from Chicago or Columbus, but Id like to see that happen. We do not have a stud D-man in the sytem
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SouthernHockeyChick
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I wouldn't mind Andrew Ladd either!!
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caniac369
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| Nutty Caniac wrote: | | Everyone has shown me the article about Weekesy and O while I was gone.. you guys think they actually won't return? |
I've been in wedding planning/house selling hell and COMPLETELY out of the loop. What article? 
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| caniac369 wrote: | | Nutty Caniac wrote: | | Everyone has shown me the article about Weekesy and O while I was gone.. you guys think they actually won't return? |
I've been in wedding planning/house selling hell and COMPLETELY out of the loop. What article? |
The article says that Weekes and O might likely go elsewhere..prepare yourself for the exit of your favorite guy my friend! 
btw...Wally said that the equipment sale (as of right now) will be sticks, helmets and skates.. he said there are lots of skates.... |
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caniac369
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| Nutty Caniac wrote: | | caniac369 wrote: | | Nutty Caniac wrote: | | Everyone has shown me the article about Weekesy and O while I was gone.. you guys think they actually won't return? |
I've been in wedding planning/house selling hell and COMPLETELY out of the loop. What article? |
The article says that Weekes and O might likely go elsewhere..prepare yourself for the exit of your favorite guy my friend! |
Well, with my move to Oregon in August, the only thing I care about at this point it getting my jersey signed (which is unlikely considering the rumors that he won't be at carnival). I'll be able to watch him (and whoever else departs prior to camp) on center ice and when we go to Vancuver, San Jose, etc. for games. I will just always remember the "exorcising of the demons" at the 12/17/03 game v Pitt... classic!!
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| caniac369 wrote: | | Nutty Caniac wrote: | | caniac369 wrote: | | Nutty Caniac wrote: | | Everyone has shown me the article about Weekesy and O while I was gone.. you guys think they actually won't return? |
I've been in wedding planning/house selling hell and COMPLETELY out of the loop. What article? |
The article says that Weekes and O might likely go elsewhere..prepare yourself for the exit of your favorite guy my friend! |
Well, with my move to Oregon in August, the only thing I care about at this point it getting my jersey signed (which is unlikely considering the rumors that he won't be at carnival). I'll be able to watch him (and whoever else departs prior to camp) on center ice and when we go to Vancuver, San Jose, etc. for games. I will just always remember the "exorcising of the demons" at the 12/17/03 game v Pitt... classic!! |
Good thing you are busy so that IF he does leave, it won't be so bad for you... my feelings for him are completely different right now, but it still wouldn't seem right not to see #92 out on our ice ever again.. |
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caniac369
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| Nutty Caniac wrote: | | Good thing you are busy so that IF he does leave, it won't be so bad for you... my feelings for him are completely different right now, but it still wouldn't seem right not to see #92 out on our ice ever again.. |
I guess I'm just avoiding thinking about it. It will suck to go to games whenever I come home or go anywhere else and not see him wearing a canes jersey.
Now if a certain OTHER player were to exit, well, let's just say I'd have the have my title changed... 
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| caniac369 wrote: |
Now if a certain OTHER player were to exit, well, let's just say I'd have the have my title changed... |
I don't think you have to worry! |
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caniac369
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| Nutty Caniac wrote: | | caniac369 wrote: |
Now if a certain OTHER player were to exit, well, let's just say I'd have the have my title changed... |
I don't think you have to worry! |
Well, with THIS team you never know!!!
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| moonstomper wrote: | | WeatherGirl wrote: | Anyhoo--I am betting that we try to trade up a couple spots and land Cam Barker.
Thoughts? |
Theres been some talk about that, I dont know what it would take to pry the pick away from Chicago or Columbus, but Id like to see that happen. We do not have a stud D-man in the sytem |
I dunno...I'm one that thinks our defensive future is ok...Danny Richmond will make the team this year, and has the potential to be a very good player for us. Allan Rourke excelled last year, and the little that we saw of Brad Fast and Matej Trojovsky leads me to believe that we'll be ok on D, when you combine those names with veteran leadership like Hedican and Hill, who is bound to sign with us for another year or two.
I think we need to concentrate on our offensive game...and moving up to pick Andrew Ladd would be a big step forward. If we do move up, we need to pick Ladd and not Barker.
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I would prefer to see us getting a good offensive minded player over a defensive player myself as well.
| Quote: | You can survive draft weekend
Kara Yorio
June 21, 2004
So your team needs a big, physical, stay-at-home defenseman for next season? Well, don't spend too much time scouring scouting reports on the Internet to find your man. The NHL draft is not about need. It's about potential.
Or as one former NHL general manager, now a scout, put it: This is not football. You don't draft on need -- you draft the best player available.
In a draft like this year's, which is not very deep in high-level talent, judging the potential and choosing one player over another becomes even more difficult.
Sure, Alexander Ovechkin, the consensus No. 1 pick, is going to make it. People have been waiting two years to get him into the NHL. The only question now is when the league will start back up for him.
Evgeni Malkin, the projected No. 2, probably will be in the Penguins' lineup the next time they play. He's younger than Ovechkin and will take longer to develop, but Malkin could be a star in four or five years.
When you're dealing with a draft in which the No. 2 pick might take four or five years to develop, it isn't easy, and it certainly isn't a science. The only way to analyze hockey talent adequately is to watch these kids play, night in and night out, and to possess some sort of vision into the future -- the ability to know what a boy will play like when he is a man.
This weekend's draft, in Raleigh, N.C., will be like the draft weekends that have come before. It will be a payoff for two groups of people: the drafted players (and their families) and the scouts.
For the scouts, the first reward is small: their team picking their recommendation. It'll take a while to see whether that player proves to be a great pick, someone who makes it worth the year of traveling North America and Europe seeking out the top players and the diamonds in the rough. Even in this technological, small-world age, a player or two can be overlooked.
But that's the scouts' world, not the fans'. The big question for fans: Why care -- if you're not going to see these players for a few years? If you might never see them in your team's jersey at all? If the talent pool drops appreciably early this year and your team doesn't pick for a while?
Remember, Devils goalie Martin Brodeur, a three-time Stanley Cup champion and two-time Vezina winner, was taken 20th in 1990. But is hoping the next Brodeur will drop to your team a good enough reason to pay attention?
Yes, there is some fun to be had on draft weekend, even if the draft -- any draft -- is about the worst sports programming on TV. After shots of men sitting around tables, a viewer gets:
First we would like to thank (FILL IN HOST CITY AND TEAM) for this great weekend. On behalf of (TEAM PICKING) I'd like to congratulate the Tampa Bay Lightning on winning the Stanley Cup. With the (WHATEVER) pick in the draft, the (TEAM PICKING) proudly selects from Moose Jaw ... .
What's even better? Getting that 30 times in a row.
A draft is a time for make-your-own fun, like an afternoon with boring relatives. Enjoying the draft as a viewer and fan takes a little effort, but it can be worth it. This is when you learn most names and background stories for the first time. If you follow a player until he reaches the NHL, you can say you were there the whole time.
Gain some bragging rights, some know-it-all moments with the boys at the bar. Isn't that what being a fan is all about?
Be the first on your block to know all about winger/center Robbie Schremp, whom Red Line Report calls "selfish and petulant with an attitude of entitlement" while also saying he has a "huge talent level, probably the best of any North American in this draft." Will your team take a risk on this could-be superstar playmaker who surely will be a project and might never make it at all?
There's University of Michigan goalie Al Montoya, set to be the first Cuban American in the NHL. He'll go relatively high, but to whom? Care to make a wager? Will it be the Coyotes, or maybe the Rangers? Or will Montoya end up somewhere else?
And there's Czech defenseman Ladislav Smid, who can make a good first pass out of the zone but lacks a decent shot. International Scouting Services says Smid "is very smart, always positioned correctly and likes to play a physical game."
Will the Capitals make a blockbuster trade with some team desperate for Ovechkin? What will Islanders G.M. Mike Milbury, a man who seems to live for draft-day deals, do? Whom will the Blue Jackets thank when they step on the podium?
OK, so maybe it's not all-day drama, but learn the names of your team's draft choices. You can follow their careers during an NHL-free autumn. |
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As to why the Carnival may be split up, consult the below letter. I registered to be a volunteer, so here is the most recent letter I received. Excited to see if it will be a nice hat and shirt!!
Draft Volunteers,
First and foremost, thank you for volunteering to make this the best Draft that the NHL has ever experienced. We have now fulfilled all of the volunteer opportunities available and we can now look forward to enjoying the Draft. Thanks to the support of volunteers like yourself we have been able to "overstaff" all of our activities so that you can enjoy the Draft as well as your shift as a volunteer. You are in the afternoon group so please pay attention to the possible start times. The time for check-in will remain unchanged, but the time the Carnival actually opens is dependant on the crowd capacity inside the RBC Center. The details that you need to know are as follows:
Shift: You have been assigned to the afternoon shift. This shift officially runs from 1:30pm to 5:00pm.
Check In: At the check-in tent you will receive your duties for the day as well as your complimentary draft T-shirt and hat that you will wear throughout the day. The volunteer tent will be open throughout your shift with food and drinks to allow you a place to take breaks as needed. By 1:00pm (2:30pm if RBC is not at capacity) you should be at your assigned location and staff members will be around to fully explain what the attraction is and what your duties will be.
Duties: Your daily duties will be assigned to you as you arrive on Saturday the 26th. In filling positions we have done our best to keep all requests in mind but due to the nature of these events the positions remain subject to change. We have done our best to assign enough volunteers at each exhibit to allow for extended breaks and lighter conditions.
Please remember that the Carnival times are subject to change. In the event that the indoor crowd is at capacity or lower the Caniac Carnival will shut down at 11:30am and not re-open until 3pm. If this is the case, we will instruct you of your duties at 12:45, but you will be free to enjoy the Draft until 2:30pm. If we are over capacity inside the RBC Center then the Carnival will run uninterrupted and your shift will start at the scheduled time of 1:30pm. Either way, you will hear a definitive word from us at the 12:45 check-in.
As said before, we have tried to over staff each attraction by one person. This means that you can work out amongst yourselves a rotation that allows one person to take a 20-30 minute break. As always, the number of volunteers per attraction is contingent on volunteers showing up on time for check-in. If you know in advance that you will not be able to make the event, please let us know so that we can fill in spots from people on our wait list.
Finally, if you signed up for other people under your name then you have all been kept together and please forward this E-mail along to them or instruct them of the details.
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| Quote: | McKenzie: No surprises at the top
TSN.ca Staff
6/21/2004
If you came looking for a surprise atop the prospects leader board for the 2004 NHL Entry Draft, you have come to the wrong place.
TSN's annual ranking of the top prospects cannot ignore the obvious. That is, a brilliant pair of Russian forwards are guaranteed to be one-two at this year's draft in Raleigh. Alexander Ovechkin is No. 1 and Evgeny Malkin is No. 2. It was that way before the puck was dropped on the 2003-04 season and it remains that way now.
The only real suspense at the top end of the draft will be which teams claim Ovechkin and Malkin. Washington and Pittsburgh currently hold the first and second picks, respectively, but both teams are listening to offers. That's a subplot that will no doubt pick up some steam over the course of the week.
Beyond Ovechkin and Malkin, and do remember there is a huge gulf between them and the rest of the field, this year's draft is a wide open affair.
TSN's No. 3 ranked prospect, defenceman Cam Barker of the Medicine Hat Tigers, is the consensus choice as the best blueliner available but it's not as if he's in a class by himself. Michigan State defender A.J. Thelen, ranked No. 8 by TSN, and Czech blueliner Ladislav Smid, holding down the No. 9 spot, are the only other defencemen in TSN's top 10, but not that far off Barker in terms of appeal.
Generally regarded as being a somewhat weak draft class, that does not hold true when it comes to goaltenders. TSN has ranked two goalies in the top 10. University of Michigan's Al Montoya checks in at No. 4 while Czech stopper Marek Schwarz is at No. 6. Potential trade activity within the top 10 of the draft is likely going to involve the goalies, with a number of teams interested in trading up to get a crack at Montoya or Schwarz. It's possible as few as three goalies, and as many as five, maybe even six, could be taken in the first round on Saturday. Kamloops Blazer Devan Dubnyk, by the way, is the consensus choice as third best goalie.
The other hallmark of this draft will be the heavy Euro flavour. TSN has Finnish forward Lauri Tukonen ranked No. 5 overall and Czech forward Rostislav Olesz, who got Phaneuf-ed at the world junior championship, at No. 10. That brings to six the number of Europeans in TSN's top 10.
With two Americans - Montoya and Thelen - already there, the process of elimination doesn't bode well for Canadian talent this year. Aside from Barker, the only other Canadian content in TSN's top 10 is Calgary Hitmen forward Andrew Ladd, at No. 7.
By the time the first round is concluded on Saturday, it's possible as few as ten of the first 30 picks will be Canadians. No need for alarm, mind you, as these trends tend to be cyclical.
And that doesn't mean there aren't some interesting Canadian angles to this draft. Two British Columbia tier two products from the Salmon Arm Silverbacks, Travis Zajac and Chris Chucko, have made it into TSN's first round and Zajac may surprise some by how high he'll be taken, quite possibly in the first half of the first round.
But when all is said and done, it's still likely to be a draft dominated by Europeans and goalies, with the Russian glitter twins Ovechkin and Malkin going one-two and in no danger of having that elite status challenged. |
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